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of El Goonish Shive by Dan Shive


I first read "El Goonish Shive" 6 months ago, when I found the link on my own. I remember being unsure on how I thought of the comic at the time, which is why I decided to read it again before I tried to review it here. Now, fortunately, I have a firmer grasp on my thoughts towards it.

Artwork: Starts off crude, but steadily moves up in quality. I find the current art pleasant; it could use a little more detail, but I have a generally favorable impression. However, several of the characters bear a very close resemblance to each other, which can make it hard to tell who's speaking. Perhaps this wouldn't be such a problem....if it weren't for the story.

Story: The most apt comparison is to the Leaning Tower of Pisa. You can enjoy what you see these days, but you know it has a bad foundation. I gradually came to accept the plot, but it doesn't hold up under a harsh light, and I think that keeps pulling the current storylines down. The most recent arc, "Painted Black", has been the best so far....but it doesn't look like we'll see more like it. Which is a pity, because the "new strange transformation!" stories are just boring and repetitive.

Characters: I'm mixed on this. The original motives for the characters are pretty simplistic...and with some of them, I don't think we ever got a clear idea on why they act as they do. But they've gradually evolved and changed, so now there's a decent range of emotions. However, I think Tedd and Grace are the only ones who do much of consequence, forcing the other characters to react most of the time. I'd like to see Elliot and Sarah's relationship develop past "we're dating now", if nothing else.

Writing: Another mixed bag, with nuts to boot. The writing has definitely improved from the beginning; the creater has more skill with drama now, and the jokes are occasionally funny. Unfortunately, it hasn't improved enough to escape its origins, and I still see traces of the original problems in the current work. Jokes are usually 'amusing' instead of funny, and "serious" situations can be hard to take seriously. Still, the creator does a better job now than in the past, and has even killed off some of the more ridiculous ideas in the strip's history. Getting rid of the principal's resemblance to Hitler was a good move.

Overall: The real problem with "El Goonish Shive" boils down to some of its central conceits. The constant transformations could be used to raise some serious points, such as asking what a person's 'true form' is...or if there even is one. Perhaps the unprecedented physical instability could be linked with new forms of mental instability. The creator has touched on these very briefly...but it's mostly used for cheap jokes and sitcom 'problems', which usually ends up annoying me instead of amusing me. I hope to see better soon. 3 out of 10.
Review by Benor Fri Aug 13 2004 11:23 PM

Ahhhh.... one of my favorite comics. I also met the artist at Comic-Con, and he was pretty cool too. Now then... To work!

Plot: Aside from a few storylines (which is more than can be said for many webcomics), El Goonish Shive enjoys alot of on the spot humor, having fun with transformation rays that would make even Dok Kerensky happy. Possibly. The main characters are fun, and each has there own backgrounds... the fact that they each have some sort of super powers/high martial training makes things interesting, to me. The fact that said powers often end up at the butt end of a joke makes things even funnier. The occasional twists keep it interesting.

Art: Well drawn. He knows his characters inside and out art wise, and slowly improves his art style as time goes on. You can notice changes in Tedd and Elliot as he continues to use them, as well as his intriguing use of unique abthro forms. The fact that he can make the transformed states of each character remarkably similar to the base human self speaks much of his affinity to his characters.

Characters: Hmm... well thought out comes to mind. He makes his own alien races and really comes up with histories for them, instead of just saying they exist and leaving it at that. The fact that said races keep comming into play speaks much about his foresight and planning for storylines. All of his characters have definitive quirks that make them stand out as well, instead of being two dimensional and easy to read.

Writing: Enjoyable. While there may be points where characters will say something not really used much, that gives the characters definition. After all, not everyone speaks in the exact same style in our society, do they? All in all, Dan Shive does a wonderful job, and I cannot wait to see him start up again after he recovers from Comic-Con. Also, at least he tends to post on time, which is more than I can say for other webcomics.

Overal Score: 9/10.
Review by Jorick Soriano Thu Jul 29 2004 11:28 AM

Before I start this review, I must admit that in my early teens and possibly before, I had this thing for transformations. I liked seeing certain episodes of Gargoyles and Batman in which people changed their form, either by choice or having it forced upon them (preferably the latter, as well as the transformee being female). The reason for this was because this symbolized some sort of radical change in story, as well as giving me a sense of wonder as to how someone would feel if they actually were physically transformed. I suspect there was a deeper reason to all that as well, as transformation, especially if forced upon someone, was a symbol of dominance over nature and humanity, and dominance kinda turns me on. I guess I still hold onto a little of that from my earlier days, as I enjoy scenes in video games and RPG's where the villain takes on a more powerful form through some improbably process. There's nothing incredibly unusual about all this, but it's not the kind of thing that most people would just keep to themselves, as it would make others look at them sideways. I only mention this because it is somewhat pertinent to this whole review, given that

DAN SHIVE DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO CONCEAL HIS CREEPY FETISHES.

Anyway, I guess I should write this now, and I'll try my best not to swear.



Plot

Dan Shive has a furry and transformation fetish, and he just HAS to let out all of that pent-up sexuality somehow. Given that he has about a 5% chance of getting laid in the next five years, and given that he has at least enough dignity not to draw anthro-porn (I certainly hope not, anyway. Who knows what's not on the internet?), he decides to draw a webcomic about it. It doesn't matter that he can't draw too well, or doesn't have enough human interaction to know how people converse, or any knowledge of making a compelling story structure outside of Anime, or that he couldn't understand layout for the life of him. He perseveres, despite all of these roadblocks, and in the end churns out a webcomic that is a better form of self-gratification than masturbation, but not much else.

And what's the comic about? Far as I can tell, it's about people constantly switching species and gender and all of the high-larious results of said transformations. Oh, and sex jokes, Anime jokes and nerd jokes.

Art

Below average. Characters have very similar designs, clothes, faces, hair, etc. Often I couldn't tell them apart, especially after they all started changing shape. Strangely, the anthro designs are better-drawn than the human designs, but then they're just weird for the most part.

Dearth of backgrounds. Action scenes are very stiff. Shoddy linework. Boring use of colors in certain strips.

Characters

Elliot: Jerk
Tedd: Nerd pervert
Sarah: Confused bitch
Grace: Naive squirrel-girl
Ellen: Elliot's 'sister' that was made after Elliot was turned into a girl, so he touched this magical diamond that seperated them and they became two different people. Plausible, I know.

Writing

UGH! Stiff as a board! This guy has no sense of how people actually talk in real life. People talk in recaps and exposition that often fills up half a page full of info that I already know, I don't care about, and could be greatly reduced. An example in the most recent comic I've read has the line "Since when are you into grunge music from the early nineties?" That whole line can be reduced to "Since when did you like grunge?" That would have made the line slightly more funny, but it still wouldn't make me laugh.

Which brings me to the jokes. They are weak. Unfunny. Flat. In-jokes that refer to furries, Anime, transformation and the comic itself. I only laughed at one joke in the entire thing so far, and I'm too lazy to look for it again. It involved a unisex bath house. The problem with all these jokes is that Dan Shive expects the funny to just write itself, as transformations are odd enough to be funny on their own. The problem here is that not only is the first transformation done with a serious tone, but the whole thing is done to death, making transformations lose any sense of oddity and just become lame.

A larger problem with the comic's writing, though, is the story structure. Pacing is god-awful, as sometimes events are sped up (like the first goo story) in order to get to the 'interesting' parts, which move at a crawl (Like Sister, which took forever and was an absolute mess). Worse still are plot twists that come out of nowhere, such as an alternate-dimension Tedd contacting Grace through internet video or Grace's brother Hedge showing up in West Bumhole, AZ to give Tedd and Elliot a ride back to Moperville. Most of the characters also have unimaginative superpowers that they have for little or no reason. Twists such as these made my arm fall off the desk a couple of times, as my mind and body just stopped functioning in order to properly process all of the inanity. Its bad because just as I'm about to finish swallowing another crap sandwich Dan Shive served me and accept whatever dumb twist he came up with, he serves me another one.

And then the drama. THE DRAMA! Enough angst to make several angst sandwiches. Is any of this supposed to be taken seriously? It's hackneyed, overwrought, unrealistic and, given the ludicrous nature of the comic, impossible to take seriously.

And finally, the transformations themselves. I firmly believe that a something so life-altering as a changing of one's physical form should have big practical and emotional ramifications or at least lead to a boss fight, not just be some silly afterthought. Thanks for killing another bit of my childhood, Dan Shive!

And stop being so freakin' self-referential! No one likes the characters mentioning they're in a comic, or the author commenting on the comic within the strip. Fourth-wall breaks are only tolerated when the strip doesn't take itself seriously at all, or it's some kind of avant-garde project, of which this obviously isn't.

BARF!

Weak humor, stupid drama, random plot twists, overlong exposition, horrible pacing, wooden dialogue, so-so art, general inanity and a thin layer of creepiness make this one of the worst comics I've ever read. This is Dragon Ball Z with more chicks and angst, and somehow less interesting fights. A strong contender with Gene Catlow. Oh, and it SO wants to be Sluggy Freelance.

Now, excuse me while I make myself a beef milkshake.
Review by Cobra Thu Jul 29 2004 10:49 AM

Whee, one of my favorite comics gets the treatment! Here goes my first review, and my two coppers...

Art: While rather simple at the start, this artist did improve towards the present, a good two years worth of progress. In particular, the Pitch Black artwork is muchly detailed, and quite enjoyable. I still get some of the girls and guys mixed up though, as some of them look the same, except for different hair. Oh yeah, and I'm biased towards happy floofy girls. So sue me!

Story: Starts out as the dramas between two teen boys and a random girl, but rapidly progresses to a alien conspiracy/teen angst/love-triangle/action comic. By the beginning of the Pitch Black arc, you actually start to care about what happens to the main character, a squirrel-girl named Grace.

Characters: Which brings me to this section. Grace and Tedd-the-bishi change the most, as people, but most of the other characters seem to be just background filler. However, I did like the development of Damien's crew, particularly Hedge and Vlad, in the Pitch Black arc. The addition of a few clones clutter up the background towards sheer confusion.

Writing: Can't say very much about it, except that it does move. A few plot twists here and there, and I'm happy. Sometimes it drags, as it shifts to girl-talk, but hey, it's all gravy. *Is the least worthy to judge this category.* >_<;

Overall: *Cave-man voice.* We like floofy happy innocent girls. We like action and fights. We like girls that can transform into fun things, like squirrels and cats and stuff in between. Aliens are cool. We like drama and angst. WE LIKE COMIC! XD

C+, because of bleh art, but average-to-good everything else. Not a blastingly-great money-raking comic, but more of a relaxing break-out-the-popcorn kind of fun. Go read!
Review by Bar Gamer Tue Jul 27 2004 10:10 AM

Offsite Review Summaries

"...mainly depicts the lives of a group of friends in their junior year of high school. Said lives contain transformation guns, alternate universes and a shape-shifting half-squirrel girl. It should be noted that EGS is not a simple gag strip; the characters are fairly complex and believeable despite existing in a setting where women can use Hammerspace." more...
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Visitor Reviews & Comments

What can you say about El Goonish Shive...

Great, good, and everything like that.

I've read the comic through around 5 times... And each time I enjoy it.
Dispite what the comic may bring out, it's not as X-rated as some people might suspect.
Has he got close. Hell Yeah.
But has he ever crossed the line. No.
Will he ever cross the line. No.

It's because of the way he is. He's a story writer, an artist, a comedian and a person of morals, all in the same person.

Now, as to the comic itself.
Plot - 7/10
Consistant, easy to understand, gives moments of tension and suspense as well as moments of you know what's happening next, but does it...?

Artwork - 8/10
Constantly inproving. You can see it as the comic goes along. And it also holds the greatest part of the comic...
THE EYES!!! If anything else, look to the eyes, they give you such a reaction, and always fit the tone of the comic.

Characters - 8/10
Rarely do you get a original story that is perfect in the beginnings of it's life.
At the beginning, even though the characters were simple, they still got the point across.
The characters have also evolved as the comic has aged. They gained more personality and someone, somewhere can always identify with one of them.

Overall - 9/10
If you want a webcomic to read, but you haven't read this one. Go do it. You'll either love it or hate it.
Personally, I love it.
But there is one thing you will always do during you reading of it. You WILL be brought to tears of laughter in more than one moment.


Dan Shive and El Goonish Shive.
One of the best webcomics ever.
Review by Poidrac Sun Dec 18 2005 05:33 AM

I wouldnt pay attention to an ranter who obviously had to grab a dictionary to know what half of his words meant. If he cant give criticism without resorting to insults, cheap shots or using bodily functions, he needs to just do everyone a favor and shut up. He doesnt like EGS or DBZ or from the looks of it most any anime/webcomic/80's cartoons. So what, if he wants to gripe let him. I love EGS and all the friends I recommended read it do to. The art has improved as any artist's work does over time.

The one liners and references add to the visual to blend it all into a funny, and at some times gut busting masterpiece.

As for the angst?! Comedy isnt comedy unless there are serious moments to make the lighter times more obvious. A constant joke isnt as funny as a joke in the middle of angst.

I read manyweb comics and EGS is one of the best ones out there BECAUSE the author knows his stuff. Dan is a good writer, a very rapidly improving artist, and an upcoming comic genious.

I give EGS 8 out of 10. Dan has good ideas and is improving his art and style of writing. at the rate his comic is going it will be 10/10 sooner than we realise (note that 8/10 for me is great since the only cartoon/anime/comic to get higher is the 80's Transformers with 9/10)
Review by Anemaul Fri Dec 16 2005 06:11 AM

El Goonish Shive at first appears to be an easily criticisable comic. That's because it is. However, it has also drawn me in like almost nothing that I have ever read before. Although in the early stages the artwork was comparatively poor and the dialogue somewhat odd, the comic has greatly improved over the period that Dan has been making it.

The best aspect of the comic is the characters, I feel. Though the comic would lose a lot of its appeal to me if it lacked the pseudo-scientific magical universe, it is the development of the characters within this universe which I think makes it truly great. In my opinion, the comic has gradually shifted quite significantly towards the development of the characters over the original randomness of the first couple of story arcs, and it is a definite improvement, and the character development is by far the strongest aspect of the comic.

As to the plentiful furries, lesbians, and sex changes, I fail to see how that could detract from a comic. Sure, the lycanthropic squirrel start is somewhat odd, but Grace's thoughts and feelings are far more interesting than her physical form. Once you accept the crazier stuff that goes on in the comic as a given, you can really pay attention to the characters themselves rather than whether or not they have breasts at the moment.

In conclusion, thought it has a shaky start, the comic quickly finds itself and truly shines through the development of the characters. Now read it, or the owl will eat you.
Review by Carcer Sun Oct 09 2005 10:20 AM

El Goonish Shive is one of the better webcomics on the Internet. This review being written in mid 2005 is witness to three and a half years of evolution on many fronts, first and foremost the art.

Like many webcomics, it started very patchy but has grown into the crisp pictures you see today. The quality of the characters has also increased, all 8 (at last count) have their own moments to shine and background stories to tell.

The plotline has only grown better going from simple gags to engaging storylines in a very good manner. Dan Shive's website also leaves room for additional ranting and raving in his side comic EGS:NP and in numerous filler comics. Although the update schedule has decreased, he is very dedicated to having his finished products done at 12:01 the morning of the update.

All in all, the entire experience of El Goonish Shive is very good (9.5/10) and I highly recommend it to all webcomic readers with an open mind.

Oh, and by the way, It's easy to tell that Cobra has not read all of the comic up to the day of his review and has a serious problem with people who live with different preferences then he. Cobra, grow up and approach this in a more responsible manner.
Review by snow surfer Thu Sep 01 2005 11:47 PM

One of the best things about this comic for me is the ensemble cast. No one character gets the spotlight, so the focus of the story is able to shift around.

Admittedly, the plot in the early strips was not the best. I think this mostly has to do with Dan Shive not knowing exactly where he wanted to go with it. In more recent comics, it is clear that he regrets leaving some things vague in the beginning and is taking steps to rectify this. The later storylines are well-crafted and very interesting, and the characters are excellently fleshed out, always with more to come.

The artwork of course has improved drastically in the comic's three and a half year lifespan. However, I do not have nor have I ever had any trouble telling the characters apart; I cannot understand how some people do.
Review by Illjwamh Sun Jun 05 2005 11:16 PM

Contrary to what is obviously believed by some reviewers above, El Goonish Shive is a light-hearted comic. While the suspension of disbelief is broken often, it is because the webcomic is (or seems to me) not meant to be of an entirely serious story-telling sort, but rather simply to express characters and events that are too fantastic for everyday life.

A factor I like about EGS is the way that many things have grown naturally, rather than Dan Shive (the creator) having planned everything out to the last detail initially, he has allowed it to grow and develop, following whichever train of thought that has taken his fancy. I may be accused of second-guessing him, but this is how it seems to me.

I would also like to point out that furriness is not a fetish, as fetishes are specifically sexual, whereas furry is not. Granted there may appear to be a somewhat disproportional amount of 'yiff' art floating about, at least some of which can be described as 'perverted', but given that furries tend to be on the borders of convention anyway, it should hardly be surprising.

And to Cobra; please, if you're going to write a review of a webcomic, attempt to act in a mature and dignified manner. You even appear to be trying to be ironic when you complain about how EGS is 'impossible to take seriously'. It all just washes off as being puerile.
Review by Sasuke Sarutobi Sat Jun 04 2005 09:54 PM

I've read all of El Goonish Shive so far, and IT IS GOOD!! The plot twists every now and then, and it generally has random hints for whats to come that are easy to notice but hard to figure out. The best part, in my opinion, are the titles he gives each comic: Someimes they fit into the comic, sometimes they ask questions, sometimes, they show what's going on in Dan's head just then, and some I just can't figure out. Plus, the random-sex-and-species-changes make it more interesting, because while you can tell the characters apart (barely sometimes, but you can) you never know just how you're gonna see them next. I give it an 8 of 10
Review by Eika Mon Apr 18 2005 06:48 PM

I think el goonish shive is worth reading 'cause it's totally awesome!
When I'm reading it I totally space-out,it's so cool.Dan Shive did a great job!The drawings are amazing!He makes even Tedd look cute (without the glasses),it's got'a be good!Hilariosly funny jokes all the way through(hammers!).If you haven't read it all ready, read it now,before I die at the thought(of not having read it yet)!
Review by Over obssesive Shive FREAK! Tue Nov 30 2004 08:14 PM

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