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of The Ciderview Project by Michael Goodman


Art
Basic drawing skills are lacking here. I sense the struggle to draw things fairly realistically and the effort really shows. It might be better for the artist to go for a simpler more cartoony style. I'm thinking of "Traced", which, though no better rendered than this, at least had an ease and comfort with its simplicity. With "Ciderview Project" I wince at every warped face, gooey prop, and wayward perspective line struggling to find its lost vanishing point.

One page with gray wash achieves a fairly decent look and captures a mood.
http://www.ciderviewproject.com/03/4.html
Going in this direction might be a good strategy, but the pages right after, done in the same style, are fairly weak.

Characters
The dialogue is flat, functional and just doesn't ring true. It's like a story of generic human beings with certain assigned "issues". I don't sense that the author is a real keen observer of human nature yet. Or if he is, he doesn't capture the nuances, the spark of life that makes people interesting (even depressing people with problems). And it's not that I don't like realistic stories about unhappy people. I've been a fan of Harvey Pekar's work since the mid-1980's. But there's humanity in Pekar's pain that is just absent here.

Story
Thus far, this hasn't exactly been a plot-driven narrative. It's about assorted drab people who are either miserable, dying or arguing in a robotic fashion.

Overall
I hate to be such a downer, but I find little in this story of any interest thus far and have no desire to return to this world. The one positive thing I can say is that the author seems very sincere and passionate about the project, and also open to feedback and suggestions. I don't mean to be patronizing with this next suggestion, but in all honesty, my best advise would be for the creator to find a good creative writing class and drawing class and really work out some of the basics of storytelling, characterization and draftsmanship with teachers who can give detailed critiques. I sense a real passion to say something genuine about life, but the skills just aren't there yet. Sometimes an artist has to go backward to go forward.
Review by The Phantom Critic Sun Aug 31 2003 12:22 PM

Art: Well...frankly, I don't much care for the art. I have nothing against realism, but it didn't seem to be particuarly well drawn far too often for my liking. Admittedly, the artist is improving, but it still doesn't impress me.

Characters: The characters...I couldn't really seem to emphasize with them. Perhaps if they were given time to develop...as it stands, they don't entertain me, or make me feel very sorry for them. And without looking at the character page, you'll be in the dark about what precisely is going on...and, in my opinion, that shouldn't be necessary in a webcomic.

Storyline: It's hard for me to judge this, since it really hasn't had much time to really develop. From what I've seen, though...they seem to hurry through the storylines far too fast to let the story come across right, or develop the characters correctly. You just get hurled into the middle of this collection of various messed up people, with little or no explanation of what's going on or what's wrong with these people, or, well, anything.

Overall: It's got an interesting concept behind it, but until they take the time to go back, and extend the storylines to allow for some decent character development and more thorough storylines, I can't reccomend this webcomic. (4/10)
Review by Luthorne Fri Aug 29 2003 10:44 PM

The Ciderview Project
A review by Kajamir the Giant

Coming off of the innovative style and eye candy of last week's selection, we review The Ciderview Project this time around, a dark sort of story but in a much different vein.

The Ciderview Project is written as a collective documentary of several fictional individuals and the human condition. While that's a fair assessment, in reality it's about the conditions of people with dooming problems, mainly of a nature they can do discernably little about. Autism, personality disorders, a deeply malignant brain tumor... I wouldn't call this everyday fare of the human condition. More like the ongoing suffering of doomed unfortunates. I say it like that because The Ciderview Project is as a rainstorm that goes on for several days. Heavy in content with no sign of light in the coming horizon.

The Ciderview Project revolves around several troubled people, suffering from various amounts of the aforementioned ailments. They seem to live their lives in abject misery and repetitive depression. And that comes down very thickly, just sad depressing content. While a story can be made from that, there exists several problems. First off, the characters just aren't terribly interesting (although I somewhat liked Allan). No one wants to pay much attention to someone who broods all day. Not only that, but there's a certain lack of depth amongst them. I feel this is complicated by the number of characters, to whom the story sporadically jumps back and forth too, not to mention the simple fact that The Ciderview Project is fairly short in content as of this time. So, I can only judge it on what exists. Secondly, I don't find the general atmosphere believable. The drama had become melodramatic quickly. What was the point of announcing one of the characters was a lesbian when it's completely irrelevant? The creator wrote that gay people have more than average troubling lives. Be that as it may, it was like a needless detail to highlight her other seemingly unrelated issues, as well as never played up. And the whole sequence of meeting the dying brain tumor victim? It was over too quickly. I couldn't feel anything for his plight, despite dour feeling people went to his funeral. He just seemed shoved in there for more a misery factor, something TCP does not need any more of. This is one of those webcomics that comes off like a soap opera. Heavy handed, cliched, and a little sappy.

And while I like black and white art, I don't care for what's here. The grey water paint-like style mixed in with rather unbecoming images of people, increased the dullness of my experience. It's far too drab to be appealing, and the indistinct images of people are frankly ugly or fish-like in many places. I think the art as a whole is over detailed while poorly proportioned, which gives it that cringe factor. In particular, the lips and eyes are just terrible. The cover art is nice, but that's an entirely different artist.

I didn't like this one much at all. It's just so... blah. Bad visuals, heavy handed wobbling storyline, poor characterization, overly melodramatic, etc. The site says to recommend comic to friends. I'm sorry, but I can't. If The Ciderview Project was a product in the supermarket, it would be stuffed away in the corner behind the No-Frills government cheese and white bread. It's just that uninteresting. I'm not sure who exactly would be intrigued to read it compared to other webcomics available. Sixteeth century existential monks with stoic masochistic leanings? I just don't know.

Seriously, a story can be crafted quite well from a gloomy subject matter, but this approach is all wrong. The Ciderview Project lacks an enticing, involving, or competive edge to it. This giant gives the drab Project a thumbs down, and a 2 of 10 stars. A webcomic should not garner the opinion of 'egh' or 'blah' when one is done reading it.
Review by Kajamir the Giant Fri Aug 29 2003 10:10 PM

The Ciderview Project is a serious comic, which I always like to take a look at. It's also entirely realistic, which adds to the appeal. But my reading was marred by technical issues, and the use of "to be finished" pages was somewhat annoying.

Art: Ciderview is definitely original in style. I can't think of another comic that looks like it. However, there was one complaint that kept cropping up in my mind-the lines used for everyone's face. Almost everyone looked 20 years older because of it, and it started to annoy me. While everyone in the comic is stressed in some way, I doubt they would cause the characters to look that old. Fortunately, they did improve as the comic went on. However, I prefer that the comic not have "layout" pages-if the art is not done, I can wait. Seeing the dialoge is more of a frustration to me.

Characters: The characters in Ciderview are definitely flawed. But the creator doesn't really explain these flaws; until I read the characters section, for example, I had no idea why Allan acted as he did. Now it makes sense with his mild autism, but it's not something that can just be picked up. Peter and Amber seemed the most interesting to me, and there were times when the focus changed at an annoying point. Seeing Allan and Emily be distant towards each other was the biggest example-if they have so many problems, why hasn't someone else at least noticed?

Plot: The plot for Ciderview is hard to judge, since it's meant to have a set beginning and ending-and it hasn't gotten through a quarter of that story. However, I find that I'm interested. Though the third chapters seems like an ending to me in some ways, it also has ways to branch out and continue. However, beyond Everett and Amber becoming friends-and possibly Emily breaking up with Allan-I don't know of many places that the plot can go.

Writing: Ciderview does have some good dialogue, and the pacing can be nice. However, it's not always consistent. Sterling's appearance, for example, didn't make much sense, and seemed more like a plot device so Cassie could react to something. I am glad about how the creator handled Peter, though. I think a lot of comics would have saved that for the end, but that's not the point.

Overall: The Ciderview Project has a good sense of where the comic is going, and what the focus is. But I think some of the writing needs to be worked on-and the pages would sometimes take 10 minutes to load, for no discernable reason. Normally I would give it an 8, but the technical problems helped drop it down to a 7 out of 10.
Review by Benor Fri Aug 29 2003 10:05 PM

Visitor Reviews & Comments

I personally feel strongly about The Ciderview Project.

Unlike 99% of existing webcomics which simply follow the same drab formula of "protagonist"-"antagonist" confrontations with clearly spelled-out characters and everyone-is-beautiful faces, The Ciderview Project approaches real life with a more observant viewpoint that most tend to overlook : Not everyone looks the way they act, Not everyone explains why they act in such a way, and lastly Not everyone who happens to be gay in a story need to have that story focus on it.

The Ciderview Project projects the reader to be something akin to an omniscience viewer of the events that are unfolding. Learning about the characters, their quirks and personalities is something definitely only possible if one goes BEYOND reading the comic itself. Just like in real life where a person's personality isn't really summed up in a single conversation. People are complex things. And a majority of the people in the world aren't notably attractive. Or have looks that match their identity or age.

The Ciderview Project doles out stories in small short segments. They are glimpses to the lives these people are living. They are not stories that are intended to make the reader feel one way or another. Rather, they are shared moments which the characters would want the readers to have a glimpse of.

The Ciderview Project is definitely NOT a webcomic that would be appreciated by the average reader. But for those who were hoping that some people would be willing to take a stab at approaching things a tad differently... the Ciderview Project has a lot to offer.
Review by Tobie Mon Sep 01 2003 01:50 AM

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